anything look funny to you

[hayabusa1285]

ok so my motor has been hitting my Spoon xbrace for the last week now and i thought oh well looks like i have a bad motor mount. so i went out today and was looking at it and saw something i thought was kinda odd. any thoughts

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/hayabusa1285/0609091519.jpg

what i am thinking is weird is that i would think the clip would clip to something am i wrong?

[hayabusa1285]

ok should be fixed now lol

[DaveL]

ok should be fixed now lol
I see the pic ... but don't have any thoughts on it & I'm too lazy to go crawl under mine and see what it looks like on mine.

[hayabusa1285]

I see the pic ... but don't have any thoughts on it & I'm too lazy to go crawl under mine and see what it looks like on mine.

i guess u have a stock air box?

[repiv]

Which part are you referring to as the "clip"? My motor mount looks more or less just like the one in your picture. However, the shadows make it hard to tell if the rubber part is intact. Have you detected any reddish brown goo in or around that area or on the floor under it? Those mounts are liquid filled and they have been know to leak. Your picture doesn't show anything out of the ordinary, except for what I can't see in the shadow.
If your X-brace is hitting the engine, you may have high centered it once. Do you remember if you did? The brace may be bent, rather than your motor having sagged. Addtiionally, depending on how the X-brace was installed, one or more of the mounting bolts may have been overly stressed and could have stripped from a sudden, hard jarring or something of that nature. Those bolts have to go through 2 or 3 sheets of metal and if the car was jacked up unevenly, those sheets don't match up and the bolt hole may not have been completely aligned through all the layers of metal. When this happens, the bolt forces it way through the layers and instead of threading through the hole properly, the bolt simply wedges itself in the layers of metal. The X-brace may have shifted as the bolt looses grip over time.

[DaveL]

i guess u have a stock air box?
Until I get the Fujita sitting in a box in my garage put on ....

[hayabusa1285]

Which part are you referring to as the "clip"? My motor mount looks more or less just like the one in your picture. However, the shadows make it hard to tell if the rubber part is intact. Have you detected any reddish brown goo in or around that area or on the floor under it? Those mounts are liquid filled and they have been know to leak. Your picture doesn't show anything out of the ordinary, except for what I can't see in the shadow.
If your X-brace is hitting the engine, you may have high centered it once. Do you remember if you did? The brace may be bent, rather than your motor having sagged. Addtiionally, depending on how the X-brace was installed, one or more of the mounting bolts may have been overly stressed and could have stripped from a sudden, hard jarring or something of that nature. Those bolts have to go through 2 or 3 sheets of metal and if the car was jacked up unevenly, those sheets don't match up and the bolt hole may not have been completely aligned through all the layers of metal. When this happens, the bolt forces it way through the layers and instead of threading through the hole properly, the bolt simply wedges itself in the layers of metal. The X-brace may have shifted as the bolt looses grip over time.


what your say repiv(john right?) make complete sense to me, now what i was referring to as the "clip would be what i circled here.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/hayabusa1285/06090915192.jpg

i would have thought it would be a little "tighter" on the mount it self(closer if you will). why i think it's the mount is when i turn the car on and off i can feel the motor move. also when i'm letting out the clutch i also can feel it move back and fourth or i guess side to side. from what i can see the Xbrace it self does not look bent in any way nor can i see and mark to say i hit something with it.

as far as the goo you speak of it's raining out side right now and i don't have a garage to pull it into to jack it up and see. i will get back to you on the one at a later time, but from i can remember from being up under it the other day i did not see anything that look like that.

thanks again for all your help

[repiv]

That "clip" you circled normally looks like that. I don't know why it's designed like that. Perhaps it acts as a vibration damper, like a tuning fork or as a shield to protect the rubber and fluid from engine heat or from getting hit by rocks.
As for the engine moving when you turn the motor on and off, this is also normal. Go under the hood and rev the engine using the thing the throttle cable attaches to (unless you have DBW) and you'll see the engine rock side to side. The motor mounts were purposely fluid filled to allow for this movement and to absorb the inertia. Some people don't like this movement and install engine torque dampers. I think this is a mistake as it takes away from the reason why we don't have solid engine mounts. Our motors (and most inline 4 cylinder engines without counter rotating balance shafts) have a lot of natural, inherent vibration. Those mounts are one component (of several) that helps to absorb that vibration so the car doesn't rattle itself to death.
Getting back to the X-brace hitting, when I used to have my Spoon, it was very close to the oilpan. I would say there was perhaps only about 1/4" clearance. If you have less than this (manufacturing variation or shipping damage), the rocking of the engine could conceivably hit the brace. As long as it's not wearing a hole in the oilpan, you should be OK.

[repiv]

Found a picture of that "clip". It's part #5 and they call it a "stopper". :think:

http://www.slhondaparts.com/browse.asp?Model=S2000&Year=2000&TrimLevel=2DR+S2000+&TransLevel=6MTKA&Section=H&Category=B++47++%7CENGINE+MOUNTS&Doors=2&Emissions=KA&PartCatalogId=14S2A0&ViewParts=true

[hayabusa1285]

um well i have had the xbrace on for a few month now and did notice a change in the motor moving and i have owned this car for sometime now(not as long as you) and i can say in the last week the motor movement has changed quiet a bit. when i first heard the motor hitting was when i was letting out the clutch(i have 6 puck so if i slip it to much it tends to make the motor jar(sp?) ) and i heard this sound for the first time. than after that i could hear the motor hitting the xbrace which at first i thought it was the x brace hitting the body than thought it was my intake which 10 min before 1st hearing the sound i had cleaned the intake(F5) and thought maybe it was hitting something. after taking the intake off i than found the motor was hitting the brace. i than drove bout 200 miles and it seems to get worse every time i drive it. so for now i parked it and am driving a friends car.

when looking at the clearance between the motor and brace i only see maybe 4mm between the drain plug and the brace( i will take picture soon). again i still see no marks on the brace it self nor have i hit it to maybe bend it. the brace it self has been on for several months now and never noticed anything like this before. i also took the hood off and drove around for a bit and did notice when letting out the clutch the motor seemed to "bounce" almost to the passenger side of the car(this was the 2nd day the problem came about).

i guess another question i have would maybe the mount be loose in anyway instead of being blown?

(sorry if it seems like i jump around a lil bit on my thoughts, it's 4am here lol)

[repiv]

when letting out the clutch the motor seemed to "bounce" almost to the passenger side of the car
When it "bounced", did it make the noise? I would think that if it was due to engine movement, this would have been the time it made the sound. If not, then something else is making it. With only 4mm clearance, I just don't see much of a sound when the motor hits that X-brace. It's more likely to move against it and bend the brace.
Hard to say about the motor mounts. Check them for leaks. Also check the mounts at the rear of the tranny.
A 6 puck clutch can tend to be quite "grabby" and if you let it out on hard decel or even accel, it's going to snap the whole drivetrain. You could have a clutch part going or the sound could even be coming from the tranny. Any chance it's coming from the rear of the car? Could be anything along the driveline - propshaft CV joints, rear diff, CV joints.

[hayabusa1285]

well how i found out it was the motor hitting the brace was i stuck a piece of carboard between the motor and brace went aorund the block and it no longer made the sound. i removed the card board and the sound came back. and yes when letting out the clutch it tend to crab to hard it will make the noise as well. i haven't thought about the trans mounts. any signs to look for if those are bad?

[repiv]

The tranny mount is a rubber pad. Just inspect it to see if it looks damaged and check the bolts to make sure they are tight.

[hayabusa1285]

cool i should have some time on sat or sunday to work on her. ill get back to you with what i find.. thanks again for all your help