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repiv
02-10-2009, 12:26 AM
A friend just asked me about taking his S2000 out of winter storage. This reminded me that it might be timely to start a thread about what to do. I'm sure this question is popping up in peoples' minds more and more as Spring starts to poke it nose around the corner. Of course, a few of us just kept driving our cars throughout the cold months, so we just follow the maintenance schedule as usual.

My suggestions are as follows: (Do the usual checks for fluid levels - clutch, brake, coolant, tire pressures. Look for any leaks that may have found its way to the floor.) ...................

1. Check the oil level to make sure it's registering enough on the dipstick.
2. Ensure the battery is in good shape and has a good charge. You can attach a trickle charger on it for a day or two before you attempt to crank it or have a good battery on hand for jumping (ie, another car handy).
3. This one is purely optional if you are really worried about a dry start. Be it known that even if you skip this step, the additional wear will be minimal.

Pull out the fuel pump fuse. It's the number 2 fuse in the fuse panel, labelled "fuel pump, SRS" on the kick panel legend:

http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/26307/2592734300025981935S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2592734300025981935qVxOhx)

Now, use the starter button to crank it for about 10 seconds. (Of course, key ON, clutch pedal down.) This will circulate some oil to all parts of the engine. Replace the fuse.

4. Cycle the key to the full ON position once. Don't use the starter button yet. Give it about 3 seconds for the fuel pump to pressurize the system. You can hear it whine and stop. Turn key OFF and cycle to ON once again. Wait for the whine to stop.
5. With tranny neutral, crank it and fire it up as usual, slowly releasing the clutch as soon as possible. Do not touch the gas. Let it idle on its own till the rpm stabilizes. Let it continue to idle for a few minutes before you drive off down the road.
For the first start after storage, try to drive it till it gets up to operating temp. The oil that's in it will be more than adequate for the task. Change the oil at your convenience. If you've changed it at the beginning of storage, this oil should be fine for a couple thousand miles or more. If it's "old" oil from last season's driving, then change it at your earliest convenience. Remember the rule of thumb about oil changes being based on time or mileage, whichever comes first. It's been stored for 4 to 6 months. That's how old the oil is even if it hasn't gone anywhere.

Hopefully, you haven't been starting it up every week or two over the storage period. Each one of those starts produces the same wear of every dry start. Once a car sits for more than a few days, much of the oil has drained down into the oil pan. Even that thin film of oil that covers all the parts has thinned out even more and in some areas, can be non-existent. Wouldn't you rather have one dry start instead of many, many dry starts?

I didn't include common sense stuff like checking lights and tranny and diff fluids, serpentine belt or any new, weird noises that appears. This can be taken care of at the appropriate time.

Jasonoff
02-10-2009, 02:27 AM
I like the start it then drive it like you stole it method :)

My_yella_s2k
02-10-2009, 02:36 AM
WTF is this hibernation you speak of Dave ? :think:

:laugh:

kwando
02-10-2009, 02:55 AM
start it, drive it up to 9000rpm and scream like a little girl

Phill_69
02-10-2009, 03:04 AM
WTF is this hibernation you speak of Dave ? :think:

:laugh:

Good one !:rofl:
Of course some of us don't drive our S2000 in the salt and snow.

If you live in Ontario you know what that does to a car.:eek:

I am trying to figure out a way to retire early so I can move back to Hilton Head SC where I originally bought her and enjoy driving her year round. Until that time it is 4-5 months of hibernation.

Anyways the start up recommendations are great !

s2kobsessed
02-11-2009, 10:20 PM
Thanks Mr. Xviper, good write up!

deuce06tsx
03-06-2010, 01:19 AM
Great Write-up, Dave, but what do you suggest for someone like me where I"ve stored my car for the last 3+ months but my mileage is too low to change the oil for the first time yet (5000 miles)? I assume just leave it in there till I hit 7500+, ay? I'll try your trick for the fuel pump.

Thanks!

A friend just asked me about taking his S2000 out of winter storage. This reminded me that it might be timely to start a thread about what to do. I'm sure this question is popping up in peoples' minds more and more as Spring starts to poke it nose around the corner. Of course, a few of us just kept driving our cars throughout the cold months, so we just follow the maintenance schedule as usual.

My suggestions are as follows: (Do the usual checks for fluid levels - clutch, brake, coolant, tire pressures. Look for any leaks that may have found its way to the floor.) ...................

1. Check the oil level to make sure it's registering enough on the dipstick.
2. Ensure the battery is in good shape and has a good charge. You can attach a trickle charger on it for a day or two before you attempt to crank it or have a good battery on hand for jumping (ie, another car handy).
3. This one is purely optional if you are really worried about a dry start. Be it known that even if you skip this step, the additional wear will be minimal.

Pull out the fuel pump fuse. It's the number 2 fuse in the fuse panel, labelled "fuel pump, SRS" on the kick panel legend:

http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/26307/2592734300025981935S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2592734300025981935qVxOhx)

Now, use the starter button to crank it for about 10 seconds. (Of course, key ON, clutch pedal down.) This will circulate some oil to all parts of the engine. Replace the fuse.

4. Cycle the key to the full ON position once. Don't use the starter button yet. Give it about 3 seconds for the fuel pump to pressurize the system. You can hear it whine and stop. Turn key OFF and cycle to ON once again. Wait for the whine to stop.
5. With tranny neutral, crank it and fire it up as usual, slowly releasing the clutch as soon as possible. Do not touch the gas. Let it idle on its own till the rpm stabilizes. Let it continue to idle for a few minutes before you drive off down the road.
For the first start after storage, try to drive it till it gets up to operating temp. The oil that's in it will be more than adequate for the task. Change the oil at your convenience. If you've changed it at the beginning of storage, this oil should be fine for a couple thousand miles or more. If it's "old" oil from last season's driving, then change it at your earliest convenience. Remember the rule of thumb about oil changes being based on time or mileage, whichever comes first. It's been stored for 4 to 6 months. That's how old the oil is even if it hasn't gone anywhere.

Hopefully, you haven't been starting it up every week or two over the storage period. Each one of those starts produces the same wear of every dry start. Once a car sits for more than a few days, much of the oil has drained down into the oil pan. Even that thin film of oil that covers all the parts has thinned out even more and in some areas, can be non-existent. Wouldn't you rather have one dry start instead of many, many dry starts?

I didn't include common sense stuff like checking lights and tranny and diff fluids, serpentine belt or any new, weird noises that appears. This can be taken care of at the appropriate time.

repiv
03-06-2010, 01:58 AM
Great Write-up, Dave, but what do you suggest for someone like me where I"ve stored my car for the last 3+ months but my mileage is too low to change the oil for the first time yet (5000 miles)? I assume just leave it in there till I hit 7500+, ay? I'll try your trick for the fuel pump.

Thanks!
The prerequisite is always time or miles, whichever comes first. Do an oil change at least annually. If it's getting close to a year since the last oil change, do it. Personally, I would do an oil change at the beginning of the season so you've got fresh oil in there for the rigors of driving.

deuce06tsx
03-06-2010, 05:43 AM
Well, I'm going to have to look in the manual to say what it says about the first oil change interval. I thought it wasn't until 7500 miles, and I"m unsure if there was a timeline attached to that mileage as well. I'm assuming that the oil wasn't changed in the first 1000 miles, so I'm still running on factory oil. Thanks for your input!

repiv
03-06-2010, 06:55 AM
Well, I'm going to have to look in the manual to say what it says about the first oil change interval. I thought it wasn't until 7500 miles, and I"m unsure if there was a timeline attached to that mileage as well. I'm assuming that the oil wasn't changed in the first 1000 miles, so I'm still running on factory oil. Thanks for your input!
There is always a time reference. For Honda, that's 1 year. Some people won't put 7500 miles on in 5 years. Do you think oil should stay in an engine for 5 years?

deuce06tsx
03-06-2010, 03:15 PM
Well, no, oil should not stay in there 5 years, but I didn't know if Honda's "special oil" needed to be treated any different, thats all.


There is always a time reference. For Honda, that's 1 year. Some people won't put 7500 miles on in 5 years. Do you think oil should stay in an engine for 5 years?

dithersail
03-06-2010, 03:51 PM
Still a few more months up here! But definitely thinking about it...... Hopefully we will have an early and nice spring.

camoy
03-06-2010, 05:34 PM
Well, no, oil should not stay in there 5 years, but I didn't know if Honda's "special oil" needed to be treated any different, thats all.

If I read your posts correctly you are saying you have a brand new S2000 and it still has the oil that came with it from the factory and you have not reached the recommended first change interval of 7500 miles?

You wanted to know if you should change the oil in the car even though you have not reached the interval?

I don't know if it is true or not that the oil from the factory has an additive that helps the engine break in properly. But we just got a new 09 Fit last year and the owners manual stated to not change the oil until the maintenence minder dictated to. I followed this instruction so the dealer would not have a excuse later to not honor any warranty work. But this is me, you may find more peace of mind changing the oil.

repiv
03-06-2010, 05:55 PM
Well, no, oil should not stay in there 5 years, but I didn't know if Honda's "special oil" needed to be treated any different, thats all.


I don't know if it is true or not that the oil from the factory has an additive that helps the engine break in properly. But we just got a new 09 Fit last year and the owners manual stated to not change the oil until the maintenence minder dictated to. I followed this instruction so the dealer would not have a excuse later to not honor any warranty work. But this is me, you may find more peace of mind changing the oil.

There is no "special" break in additive. Acura issued a press release many years ago to put this rumour to rest. The oil analysis of new oil revealed a high level of Molybdenum, which is the key ingredient of assembly lube. This does its job the first 2 minutes of a new engine's life and then just get mixed in with the rest of the oil.
The new Maintenance Minders are very sophisticated and will calculate time. When Hondas first came out with them, it was clearly stated in the service manual that the oil should be changed at 1 year even if the indicator hadn't gotten to 0%. I'm pretty sure the current gen of these indicators won't let you got beyond that 1 year mark, unless you've pulled the battery during storage.
Nevertheless, the decision to change the oil or not is up to the owner's discretion.