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marks_lude
10-27-2008, 05:40 PM
Hey everyone, I talked to Henry last night and answered some of his questions about getting started in autocross, so I figured I'd throw some of the basics together in a post for everyone to use as a resource... After all, we do all own a very competitive, fun to drive car!

What is Autocross?
Autocross is a form of amature motorsports where participants race thier cars through a pre-designed 'Cone and Chalk' course in a parking lot. Cars run 1 at a time, and are timed from start to finish.

Resources:
Local autocross forum: www.mnautox.com (http://www.mnautox.com) (site policy, refer to autocrosses as 'events' or 'autocrosses'... not races)
Event registration: www.myautoevents.com (http://www.myautoevents.com) (most local events can be found under a search for 'MAC' or 'Mowog'. Other semi-local events can be searched under CVSCC, PCA or COM. This site contains registraion forms, entry lists, event info and the day's schedule.)
S2000s & autocross info page on S2Ki: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172595

FAQ:
(I'll try to add to this as more questions come up)
Q: What do I need to do to my car to try autocrossing?
A: Nothing, just make sure it's safe. The only thing required is removing you floor mats, make sure your battery has and good tie-down (comes stock in our cars), make sure your lug nuts are torqued, have a number on your car (can be done with blue painters tape). Modifications are not recommended for and autocross. If you already have some, thats fine, but do not try to buy 'go fast' parts your first autocross. Drive the car stock first, and learn what autocrossing is all about.

Q: Do I need special tires?
A: Again, no! Give it a try first on normal summer tires to get a feel for the car, and how events operate. At first, you will be loosing a lot of time due to driver error. Special tires are expensive and unneccesary until you really learn the car. Locally, we have a very LARGE group of people who compete in 'Street Tire' classes, so there will be plenty of competition for you.

Q: Do I need a Helmet:
A: Yes, and it must be rated as Snell M2000 or better. If you dont have one, there are public loaner helmets owned by the club that can be used.

Q: How much does it cost?
A: Our local events have entry fees that range from $20-$45 depending on location and entry cap.

Q: How many cars come to local autocrosses?
A: 110-150 depending on each events location and what the lot can handle. We typically fill every event to the entry cap.

Q: What class will I be in?
A: S2000s are very very competitive in A-Stock. If you car is stock, or only has stock-legal modifications... this is where you want to be. Stock legal modifications allow aftermarket cat-back exhaust, shocks, air filter (using stock intake), any dot legal tire ,and front swaybar. Modifications beyond those require you to be bumped to a harder class such as BSP or SM2.
Note: Locally, we suggest starting in our SI (Special Interest) class. This class has to requirements for your car. It is simply there for beginners to try, and compete against other new drivers. Once you win SI at an event, you are banished and must go to your appropriate class for the next event (that way no-one can hang around and dominate SI).

Q: Will I hurt my car?
A: Autocross is very safe. They are designed to have very low risk by making sure that there are no solid objects anywhere near the course. You can expect to hit cones alot, but the worse they will do is put a black smudge on your bumper which will come out with polish or claybar. I have never seen a cone leave perminant damage... and I have hit my fair share! With that said, cars do break.... even during every day driving, but your engine is designed to rev, your tires are designed to grip. Many cars are autocrossed for years and years with no problems. Of course, everyone is expected to use common sense, and the 'Paddock' area can be busy/confusing so we ask that everyone keeps speeds under 10mph for safety when not on course.

Q: Will insurance cover me?
A: In the very unlikely event that you damage a car somehow, typically no. The club does carry and insurance policy for a major event such as bodily injury... but that is inplace for the "most-likely-will-never-happen" accidents... NOT for small petty damage to ones car or carparts that fail.

Q: How fast will I go.
A: For most novices, the typical run consist of reving through 1st, shifting to 2nd, and never touching the shifter again. Courses are designed for stock cars to never need 3rd gear, and speeds usually never exceed 65mph.

Other important Info:
-If you want to give it a try, be ready to register a month ahead of time online. Events fill up very very fast... especially early in the year. They open to online registration 30 days before the event at midnight (and sometimes fill up by morning the next day). I will try to keep everyone updated of upcoming events.
-Bring food, water, and sunscreen. It will make your day comfortable.


Disclaimer: I did not proof read at all, but I will do it later when I have more time or update information.

Feel free to ask any questions.

Henry-A
10-28-2008, 05:26 AM
cool, matt! thanks for taking the time. excellent info. i am gonna have to get started, albeit in small steps, next season. we will talk a bit once i figured out how i want to do it.

cheers.

4U2NV
10-29-2008, 03:29 AM
Lots of good info here. Maybe we can get the Northern Lights group to all register for one of the beginner events next spring (Matt you can play with the big boys :)).

rys2kmk
10-31-2008, 02:45 AM
I'll second the great info, Matt. I've done autox's intermittently over the last 12 years, but none in the last two :eek: . I've done more HPDE events (with other cars), but have gone into semi retirement on that.

Autocross won't hurt your car, unless you decide to take it competitively and start doing clutch drops at the start. Me, I'll take the half second or second slower start and save the clutch. I just like the opportunity to push the car and play with it. Of course, I like beating "faster" cars ;) and trying to improve.

The class thing is a pain, at least if your car isn't bone stock or seriously modified. I'm not too hung up about it, but last spring I was going through the SCCA rules and found that since my aftermarket summer wheels are wider than stock wheels I get bumped a class. So when I do get around to signing up for one I'll be competing against highly modified, stripped out cars. Had the same issue when I autox'ed a BMW a few years ago. OK off my sandbox :o . Doesn't reduce the fun factor at all. But when comparing times...

They do usually have training classes before the first event - I think they fill fast. Highly recommended, you'll get more out of it. The MAC group is great, while competitive also very helpful and friendly.

If a bunch of Northern Lighters sign up, that will be incentive for me to sign up too!

marks_lude
10-31-2008, 03:23 AM
They do usually have training classes before the first event - I think they fill fast. Highly recommended, you'll get more out of it. The MAC group is great, while competitive also very helpful and friendly.


Novice school is usually very early in the year, and will likely fill in a about a day or even less like most of the early season events. I recommend staying up past midnight and registering as soon as it opens. For the price, it is one of the best events to give you a ton of seat time with good instruction.




If a bunch of Northern Lighters sign up, that will be incentive for me to sign up too!
I'm at every event :D. Hope to see you out there!!

marks_lude
01-19-2009, 11:32 PM
Hey everyone, sorry for the delay on this Jason, but the MAC site was down for a little while.

Anyways, heres the 2009 Local Autocross Schedule:
(events in Red I will be attending barring any major emergencies)
(events in Blue I may attend, some of the to volunteer or instruct rather than drive)
(events in Black I probably wont be at, but are local enough to go to if you want)

April:
25th, Saturday - Novice School Day 1 Classroom Instruction, Dunwoody Institute
26th, Sunday - Novice School Day 2 Driving Instruction, Midway

May:
2nd, Saturday - Mowog 1, Valley Fair
3rd, Sunday - Mowog 2, Valley Fair
10th, Sunday - Test n Tune, DCTC (Mac Membership required)
24th, Sunday - PCA/COM Autocross, DCTC (Dakota County Technical College)

June:
7th, Sunday - Paul Weidner Teen Driving School
14th, Sunday - Intermediate Driving School
28th, Sunday - CVSCC Autocross, CVTC (Cumberland Valley Technical College)

July:
5th, Sunday - Mowog 3 Autocross, DCTC
19th, Sunday - Mowog 4 Autocross, Midway
24th, Friday - CVSCC/MAC Novice School

Aug:
2nd, Sunday - Mowog 5, DCTC
16th, Sunday - Mowog 6, DCTC
29th, Saturday - Test n Tune, DCTC (MAC Membership required)
30th, Sunday - COM/NCCC Autocross, DCTC

Sept:
13th, Sunday - CVSCC Autocross, CVTC

Oct:
4th, Sunday - Mowog 7, Midway (Costume event, Theme: Superheros)
10th, Saturday - Mowog 8, Canterbury
11th, Sunday - Mowog 9, Canterbury

marks_lude
01-19-2009, 11:34 PM
didnt realize untile now... Sept sucks!

4U2NV
01-19-2009, 11:39 PM
didnt realize untile now... Sept sucks!

You should go to San Francisco for S2K Days. It is in mid September.
You will need to be a paid member to attend. :)

C G
01-19-2009, 11:49 PM
Good thread! I first autocrossed in 1981 but didn't have time to get serious about it until 97 or 98. It should almost be required for Sportscar owners to autocross their cars for at least a year to learn the limits. ;) Besides, it's one hell of a lot of fun!

rys2kmk
04-28-2009, 01:36 AM
If anyone is interested in an autox this spring, the first two on Matt's list are sold out. I may show up to in case there are any no shows. But I am registered for the May 24th event. I checked and there still are openings.
If interested follow Matt's link to myautoevents and under clubs/organizations drop down menu choose "Nord Stern PCA".
Hope to see you there!
And yes, I need to get around to changing my picture - the snow is gone :o

marks_lude
04-28-2009, 01:42 AM
I registered for the first 2 events and then realized it overlapped with a scheduled trip to WI with my girlfriend and some other friends. I spent a week trying to convince her that it was a good idea for me to skip the trip for the autocross's.... when that didnt work out, I sold the spots haha.

Anyways, shes liking autocross now that she did the novice school in my car. We are both signed up for the PCA/COM event. We'll see you there Mark!

marks_lude
06-05-2009, 03:53 PM
BTW, registration just opened for mowog 3. Its about half full, so theres still like 75 spots left. It will probably be full be tomorrow or the next day.

Its at DCTC. If you want in, got to myautoevents.com and search "mowog"

I'm in, but not sure what I'll be driving yet. I might co-drive my friends STi instead of my car and save my Hoosiers for an event my girlfriend can make.